Comments on: How much for a front page on digg? http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html Breaking Social Conventions Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:26:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: JD Rucker http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-685 JD Rucker Thu, 15 May 2008 04:37:01 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-685 @Triple Bagel -- LOL - yep, that was me. The funny part is, I wasn't thinking of it as a self/client link. It was a story I posted on NowPublic.com about saving endangered species by creating a culinary demand for them. It wasn't my site, nor was it a client. I hadn't spent enough time there to understand the tabooness of what I was doing. $5 down the drain, I guess. @Triple Bagel –

LOL - yep, that was me. The funny part is, I wasn’t thinking of it as a self/client link. It was a story I posted on NowPublic.com about saving endangered species by creating a culinary demand for them. It wasn’t my site, nor was it a client. I hadn’t spent enough time there to understand the tabooness of what I was doing. $5 down the drain, I guess.

]]> By: Ted http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-683 Ted Wed, 14 May 2008 21:19:11 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-683 Tad Chef, I think you only read between the lines. Tad Chef, I think you only read between the lines.

]]> By: Tad Chef http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-682 Tad Chef Wed, 14 May 2008 17:39:33 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-682 This one here is of course not true: "If you’re aiming for backlinks then you have better choices". Buying your way to the top is wrong but paying somebody to write viral content or link bait is not. Some of the best performing Digg stories or written for clients. This one here is of course not true: “If you’re aiming for backlinks then you have better choices”. Buying your way to the top is wrong but paying somebody to write viral content or link bait is not. Some of the best performing Digg stories or written for clients.

]]> By: Triple Bagel http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-681 Triple Bagel Wed, 14 May 2008 01:45:51 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-681 "It is wrong. The funny part is, I’m a Social Media “Consultant”. I’ll stress the word “consult”. When websites ask me to submit their site or to get a top digger to submit their site, I have to say no." Didn't I see you getting banned from Metafilter the other day for a self/client link? :p “It is wrong. The funny part is, I’m a Social Media “Consultant”. I’ll stress the word “consult”.

When websites ask me to submit their site or to get a top digger to submit their site, I have to say no.”

Didn’t I see you getting banned from Metafilter the other day for a self/client link? :p

]]> By: Rob Norton http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-676 Rob Norton Tue, 13 May 2008 20:55:12 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-676 I have to concur with what Ted has been saying -- well put, and non-sensationalist. I've found in my life that that which I give energy to persists. I am not AGAINST Social Media corruption, I am simply and honestly FOR Social Media self-correction. I believe I can trust Digg. I have NO IDEA who the top "Diggers" are, and I don't care -- I was a Senior Lead at PC Magazine (Ziff-Davis) and they had incredible integrity around NOT letting ad sales affect the content of an article. The greatest influencer on our social and political views, and thus how we present ourselves to The World and how we Play in it than does our basic Belief in Humankind. I author a set of blogs I call "The Human Being Project" -- The most basic guiding principle of my blogs is that "Our _Primary Role_ in creating the world all of us hope for is simply to have unshakable faith that there is no other path." All the hate, sexism, pessimism, racism, homophobia, pessimism, lack of faith (did I mention pessimism?) is all just noise and its only distraction. The World IS Just Awesome. Love, Rob I have to concur with what Ted has been saying — well put, and non-sensationalist. I’ve found in my life that that which I give energy to persists. I am not AGAINST Social Media corruption, I am simply and honestly FOR Social Media self-correction. I believe I can trust Digg. I have NO IDEA who the top “Diggers” are, and I don’t care — I was a Senior Lead at PC Magazine (Ziff-Davis) and they had incredible integrity around NOT letting ad sales affect the content of an article. The greatest influencer on our social and political views, and thus how we present ourselves to The World and how we Play in it than does our basic Belief in Humankind. I author a set of blogs I call “The Human Being Project” — The most basic guiding principle of my blogs is that “Our _Primary Role_ in creating the world all of us hope for is simply to have unshakable faith that there is no other path.” All the hate, sexism, pessimism, racism, homophobia, pessimism, lack of faith (did I mention pessimism?) is all just noise and its only distraction. The World IS Just Awesome.

Love,

Rob

]]> By: Cybrspin http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-675 Cybrspin Tue, 13 May 2008 20:32:24 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-675 Triple Bagel, Your right, It will never get that bad. But, thats only because we (bloggers like us who have an influence in the community) can bite back just at the hand that feeds us. You and Tedd are both right. Different perspectives but ultimately the same conclusions. But..., remember those sites are only still popular cause we (the social media junkie) are the site. Let all the friends in the top100 diggers lists dissapear. See how great their diggs do then. I agree the average digger isn't very valuable at all that's why in 3 months and 5% popular already I only have 54 friends and that number could drop any second I review my friends activity. A good digger only needs a few of me and you and tedd, and we can propel a story through our contacts alone. The social media junkie who is on the top100 digger friends list, is an invaluable tool the top digger cant afford to loose. Just like the Great Wall of China was one mans dream built by great engineers on the backs of nobodies to one of mans greatest achievements. The Top diggers would be NOTHING without us, they just couldn't exist its a self feeding chain of life. The wall couldn't have ever been built without all the engineers, no matter how many great minds thought it up, and how many laborers they had to work it. Cheers Cybrspin Triple Bagel,

Your right, It will never get that bad. But, thats only because we (bloggers like us who have an influence in the community) can bite back just at the hand that feeds us.

You and Tedd are both right.
Different perspectives but ultimately the same conclusions.

But…, remember those sites are only still popular cause we (the social media junkie) are the site. Let all the friends in the top100 diggers lists dissapear. See how great their diggs do then. I agree the average digger isn’t very valuable at all that’s why in 3 months and 5% popular already I only have 54 friends and that number could drop any second I review my friends activity. A good digger only needs a few of me and you and tedd, and we can propel a story through our contacts alone.

The social media junkie who is on the top100 digger friends list, is an invaluable tool the top digger cant afford to loose. Just like the Great Wall of China was one mans dream built by great engineers on the backs of nobodies to one of mans greatest achievements. The Top diggers would be NOTHING without us, they just couldn’t exist its a self feeding chain of life. The wall couldn’t have ever been built without all the engineers, no matter how many great minds thought it up, and how many laborers they had to work it.
Cheers
Cybrspin

]]> By: Ted http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-674 Ted Tue, 13 May 2008 19:48:55 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-674 Triple Bagel, I'm glad we're friends now, like a top digger friend of mine said (not the one in the article)... "this can not be drawn in black or white". JD, people appreciate hard work and quality in general. If you're a true consultant, then consult, don't blow some mediocre content out of proportion just because you can and just because you have a mortgage. That's not gonna work for ever. I appreciate people like you. Keep up the good work. --Ted Triple Bagel, I’m glad we’re friends now, like a top digger friend of mine said (not the one in the article)… “this can not be drawn in black or white”.
JD, people appreciate hard work and quality in general. If you’re a true consultant, then consult, don’t blow some mediocre content out of proportion just because you can and just because you have a mortgage. That’s not gonna work for ever. I appreciate people like you. Keep up the good work.
–Ted

]]> By: JD Rucker http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-673 JD Rucker Tue, 13 May 2008 19:44:04 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-673 It is wrong. The funny part is, I'm a Social Media "Consultant". I'll stress the word "consult". When websites ask me to submit their site or to get a top digger to submit their site, I have to say no. Our business model is not geared towards giving a man a fish. We teach them. We analyze a site, offer changes on design, teach them how to gear their stories and headlines to be more "social mediable", and then we monitor and teach. That is consulting in my book. Sadly, most "consultants" are traffic drivers. They submit and spam and get a couple of glory stories up and running. No long term benefit and not much short term benefit, either. As Ted said, it takes hard work. Blog well and people will come. They just need the right reasons. Load a site with ads and you're done. Give them great content and they'll find you. It is wrong. The funny part is, I’m a Social Media “Consultant”. I’ll stress the word “consult”.

When websites ask me to submit their site or to get a top digger to submit their site, I have to say no. Our business model is not geared towards giving a man a fish. We teach them. We analyze a site, offer changes on design, teach them how to gear their stories and headlines to be more “social mediable”, and then we monitor and teach. That is consulting in my book.

Sadly, most “consultants” are traffic drivers. They submit and spam and get a couple of glory stories up and running. No long term benefit and not much short term benefit, either.

As Ted said, it takes hard work. Blog well and people will come. They just need the right reasons. Load a site with ads and you’re done. Give them great content and they’ll find you.

]]> By: Triple Bagel http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-672 Triple Bagel Tue, 13 May 2008 19:36:10 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-672 "And if the front page of digg serves me forex trading companies, the newest photoshop tutorial from the same guy over and over again, mixed with some funny stuff and semi-science, I might not come back and support a system like this." Oh, I agree, it'll never get that bad. Again, that's why I don't think this is so bad. Most of the stuff that's bought and paid for probably deserves a fair shot at the front page anyway. It's just getting a good push that it wouldn't have gotten otherwise. You won't see top 100 users taking cash for forex trading company sites, its too obvious and it doesnt do any good for anyone. But you know, topics that are near and dear to the average Diggers heart ... those are the ones where stuff is going on. “And if the front page of digg serves me forex trading companies, the newest photoshop tutorial from the same guy over and over again, mixed with some funny stuff and semi-science, I might not come back and support a system like this.”

Oh, I agree, it’ll never get that bad. Again, that’s why I don’t think this is so bad. Most of the stuff that’s bought and paid for probably deserves a fair shot at the front page anyway. It’s just getting a good push that it wouldn’t have gotten otherwise.

You won’t see top 100 users taking cash for forex trading company sites, its too obvious and it doesnt do any good for anyone.

But you know, topics that are near and dear to the average Diggers heart … those are the ones where stuff is going on.

]]> By: Ian Lamont http://www.tedsgame.com/how-much-for-a-front-page-on-digg.html/comment-page-1#comment-671 Ian Lamont Tue, 13 May 2008 19:30:30 +0000 http://www.tedsgame.com/?p=84#comment-671 You raise some interesting points about new media consulting and digg corruption, but let's not forget about old media consulting (PR, marketing, publicists, etc.) and the way it has manipulated the media and audiences for decades. As long as there is value in eyeballs seeing certain types of content, there will be people out there attempting to corral these eyeballs. Some people will be open about it, others will be sneaky, and still others will attempt to bribe the gatekeepers. You raise some interesting points about new media consulting and digg corruption, but let’s not forget about old media consulting (PR, marketing, publicists, etc.) and the way it has manipulated the media and audiences for decades.

As long as there is value in eyeballs seeing certain types of content, there will be people out there attempting to corral these eyeballs. Some people will be open about it, others will be sneaky, and still others will attempt to bribe the gatekeepers.

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